UG Krishnamurti, one of my favorite “enlightened dudes”, has died
I’ve said on other pages here at telesterion and other places, that I got “enlightened” a while back. Whatever it is that happened, that I call “my enlightenment”, seems very similar to whatever it was that happened to UG Krishamurti. His attitide towards it and mine are very alike.
So I was touched to hear, from one of the most useful blogs for self-dvelopment guruphiliac on RIP UG, that he had died.
Death is the friend of the enlightened. Most people don’t get that, and thats understandable, I suppose. I figure UG Krishamurti probably did, tho I never met him, and don’t know for sure.
I enjoy how he dies without ceremony. “According to his wishes, no rituals or funeral rites were performed.”.
Here’s the wiki on UG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti.
“He also claimed that the reason people came to him and to gurus is to find solutions to ease their everyday real problems or for solutions to a fabricated problem, namely, the search for spirituality and enlightenment. He continued to say this drive is caused by the cultural environment, which demands conformity of individuals and places within them the desire to be special. Consequently, it is this need that is exploited by gurus, spiritual teachers and sellers of “shoddy goods”, who pretend to offer the way to reach that goal but never deliver and cannot, since the goal is itself unreachable.”.
UG is not to be confused with the other much more famous Krishnamurti, the Theosophical Societies Jiddu Krishnamurti. Jiddu also had his better moments, in that he was able to reject the artificial cult built around him in his childhood and even returning much of the money and property given by Theosophical followers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti
“(J) Krishnamurti had denounced all organized belief, the notion of “gurus”, and the whole teacher-follower relationship, vowing instead to work in setting man absolutely, totally free. From that time, he began to disassociate himself from the Society and its teachings/practices, despite being on cordial terms with some members and ex-members throughout his life.”
April 2nd, 2007 02:45
U.G.? Yes. You? Um…not so much.
Keep going.
April 2nd, 2007 03:08
Thanks for the comment Z.
A lot of people think UG wasn’t enlightened. I kinda like what he had to say about that kind of thing - “I’m just like you, and him, and everyone else. Everybody is the same.” (I’m paraphrasing very slightly from a comment in the middle of a fairly well known youtube video - I think I’ve captured the sense and meaning accurately.
What was it that the one commenter said at guruphiliac - that UG was just a “cranky existentialist”?
Such is life. UG is as free as free gets, now.
April 3rd, 2007 06:01
“UG is as free as free gets, now.”
And you know this how?
April 3rd, 2007 14:02
It’s a kind of metaphor. Or perhaps better described as idle poetry
First, I assume the human people called UG is actually physically dead, and that the information about his death os correct.
Then, I make a kind of gentle little joke about moksha. You get moksha while you’re alive, and you are still constrained by your body and the condition of being a human.
But dead is free from that. That’s why I said as free as free gets.
I’m not talking about ’spiritual’ stuff, just death.
But most folks aren’t comfortable with just death, so prettying it up with a touch of poetry seems polite.
Dead don’t grieve or fear death, but the living often do - the poetry is for the living.
April 3rd, 2007 18:53
No, what I’m asking you is how you know that “dead is free from that.”
Well, the answer is, you don’t. You’re simply tossing off yet another empty statement and hoping that its characterization as “metaphor” or “gentle little joke” or “touch of poetry” will give it a gloss of meaning, if not profundity.
Stop kidding yourself.
April 3rd, 2007 22:01
It’s true, I can’t know “dead is free from that”, anymore than I can know gravity isn’t going to reverse in the next second.
There’s an awful lot that I can’t know.
April 4th, 2007 02:37
Right. But you don’t post blog entries in which you assert that gravity has reversed. So why post blog entries in which you make all sorts of other bogus claims regarding the unknowable?
Leave it alone, Bill.
April 4th, 2007 03:53
I’m not sure what it is that you are considering making a claim.
Tell me which part is bugging you and we’ll talk about that.
I’m certainly not the first person to associate death with freedom, it’s kind of traditional. I like the association, and I think there’s a lot to be said for it, as word associations go. It’s not truly true with a capital T truth, but what is?
What words do you like to associate with death? How do you like to talk about it?
April 13th, 2007 17:29
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May 2nd, 2007 17:29
Death…
Only to his body.
His soul has gone to merge with the source.
Only enlightening souls can understand this.
Others enjoy your life with happiness and sorrows.
May 5th, 2007 14:59
Hi Asthma, thanks for stopping by and commenting.
UG used to say, there is nothing after death.
I figure we don’t know for sure until we die, but my tendency is to agree with UG. Despite the trance and ecstatic neardeath kinds of states, which do suggest something kind of like a “merging with source”.
Those are pretty states and experiences, but, they only happen to living people, as far as we can know now.
Still, they are pretty states, and a joy to explore.
May 26th, 2007 00:14
I don’t know anything about ug before last Dec.
After watching Bhat’s Prvin’s movie I searched something about her then found ug’s name and Bhat’s Book about ug. I read ug’s 90’s stories in January. I could understand somethings others can’t understand. Sometimes in meditation I saw dead people’s soul.
I was very interested to know about ug’s end part of his story. But I couldn’t find anything and in February I found some 2003 st ories. End of February I got some experiences similar to ug’s clarity started. Then March 2nd week I read the news about ug’s latest. Everyday I opened the wikipedia page for latest news. Finally 24 th I read ug was cremated 23rd. That night in my meditation I saw his soul was travelling toward the source. His soul was very brightful light.
June 2nd, 2007 23:35
Hi Aathma, it took me a few days to get back toi your comment, thanks for writing.
Yeah, I’ve had experiences like that during meditations too, not with UG specifically, but similar experiences of blissful visions of entities entering death.
As my mind works now, I don’t think such visions are a “true truth” - but these visions happen, and they happen to pretty much everyone who enters a certain group of mental states.
And these kinds of visions are oddly comforting - even if I know that I can’t really know if dying is anything like these visions, it’s a sweet universe that contains so many minds able to have such visions.
UG, I think, would have said such visions were cultural detritus. That’s part of the reason why you gotta love the old bastard.
June 3rd, 2007 20:43
Hi Bill
My experience is different from yours. I had experienced that vibration thing also. That started end of Feb and finished mid April with the 7th chakras opened. Now I am a different man than others. I don’t know why how this happened.
End.
August 20th, 2007 14:00
Jiddu Krishnamurti ;
“There are three monks, who had been sitting in deep meditation for many years amidst the Himalayan snow peaks, never speaking a word, in utter silence. One morning, one of the three suddenly speaks up and says, ‘What a lovely morning this is.’ And he falls silent again. Five years of silence pass, when all at once the second monk speaks up and says, ‘But we could do with some rain.’ There is silence among them for another five years, when suddenly the third monk says, ‘Why can’t you two stop chattering?”
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/jokes.html
http://seaunaluzparaustedmismo.blogspot.com/
December 25th, 2007 13:50
He wasn’t enlightened anyway, he was one of the many fraudsters, so many people pretent to have enlightenment these days. Its funny how they all have books tapes and courses to sell.
The true enlightened being just teaches what he can see and asks for nothing in return.
March 19th, 2008 23:31
Hi Enlightenment
If you get your third eye opened then you will understand UG Krishnamurti’s statements true or false. Otherwise you can’t do. Cos your input not enough to do that. Nobody can’t explain to a blind man about the sunrise. Nobody can’t teach the path only he has to get some luck.
March 19th, 2008 23:57
Real spiritual path is very hard to find or show. Nobody can’t teach. If teaching is easy we can meet thousands of Budha,Jesus, Mohamad …etc in every road. So that the reason UGK told something abt teaching.
So you don’t need gurus. You have to find your ownway by reducing your mind, body activities. You have to be in comma stage.
Do you want that????
I think you are interested in pleasure and …way life. So forget the spiritual thing and enjoy your life with happiness and sorrow.
Bye
April 16th, 2008 20:58
Krishnamurti fav.quotes and many more were~”to observe without naming it.”
Has anyone actually tried this? It can be difficult without awareness and consciousness. Were always naming,describing,analizing,etc.,throughout our daily lives. Once we start quieting our minds, and becoming aware of our surroundings, no more naming occurs.
The blank mind discard deception, any sensory concepts. A blank mind relates to our mystical consciousness.
The non-conceptual knowledge is the Divine or Infinite.
Let go of it and trust it, as if its quite other than you.
Cellular life on any level. Let go control to others. The Godhead never knows its own knowledge. I love..I let go..I don’t control…For the Brahma principle anytime to cease to cling to ourselves (a wasted energy).
Krishnamurti, was an astronishing man! I’ll continue to watch and listen/read his enlightened wisdom!
Gessho