Comments on: “WINNING THE INTEGRAL GAME?” – an article about conversion and critique http://www.telesterion.com/winning-the-integral-game-an-article-about-conversion-and-critique.htm How to study consciousness, mind, and brain, spirituality and philosophy, humans, and the nature of the self. Thu, 20 May 2010 14:25:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Bill http://www.telesterion.com/winning-the-integral-game-an-article-about-conversion-and-critique.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3410 Bill Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:29:00 +0000 http://www.telesterion.com/winning-the-integral-game-an-article-about-conversion-and-critique.htm#comment-3410 I think the "Integral experiment" is really very, very interesting, clearly one of the most interesting things happening in this country at this time, which is why I think everybody should learn at least something about it. But for a string of reasons I've decided to position myself just slightly outside of Integral culture. There are a bunch of things that I'm interested in that Integralism doesn't seem to cover, at least not in a way I find practical. What I'm really looking forward to is a second generation Integralism. But I'm not sure I've seen it yet. One of the dividing lines, for all this stuff, is as you mention, the molecules, the drugs. It's a bit of an inherent fracture line in all of the cultures, including the post WW2 meditative movements like TM and all the many others, and Integralism too. Hey, thanks much for coming by, and especially for leaving a comment, it was much enjoyed and appreciated. Bill I think the “Integral experiment” is really very, very interesting, clearly one of the most interesting things happening in this country at this time, which is why I think everybody should learn at least something about it.

But for a string of reasons I’ve decided to position myself just slightly outside of Integral culture. There are a bunch of things that I’m interested in that Integralism doesn’t seem to cover, at least not in a way I find practical.

What I’m really looking forward to is a second generation Integralism. But I’m not sure I’ve seen it yet.

One of the dividing lines, for all this stuff, is as you mention, the molecules, the drugs. It’s a bit of an inherent fracture line in all of the cultures, including the post WW2 meditative movements like TM and all the many others, and Integralism too.

Hey, thanks much for coming by, and especially for leaving a comment, it was much enjoyed and appreciated.

Bill

]]> By: Doug Wallack http://www.telesterion.com/winning-the-integral-game-an-article-about-conversion-and-critique.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3394 Doug Wallack Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:17:37 +0000 http://www.telesterion.com/winning-the-integral-game-an-article-about-conversion-and-critique.htm#comment-3394 Hi Bill, Just got around to checking out your site. Very nice...I'm in joy seeing your book lists/interest. So parallel with my own experience. This article facinated me because I have been watching the hoohah at Frank Vissar's site about Wilber/I-I. One of the reasons I like Wilber & his work so much is that, from my perspective, he leaves one free from Guru worship. Perhaps he even shows his warts to shake off the puppy lovers. I have been involved since the late 60's with the TM movement/Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I have been practicing TM since that time & still cherish the practice. I can say that I had a great deal of devotional feelings towards Maharishi and still do. But I never could "join up" because they seem to take their "purity" more seriously than I could...being an occasional user of entheogenics, being a 'smoker' on & off (including the devil weed, LOL). I think you're correct in saying these writings in general say much more about their authors than about Wilber. Does he have a shadow side (like I do)? I'm fairly certain. Perhaps that is why I enjoyed his 'Wyatt Earpy' tirade. I'm glad to blog here a bit, wouldn't do it on Franks site...seems too toxic. Anyway, thanks for the contributions of your site. Those guys on the right side of the page are nearly all wonderful mentors for me. Cheers, Doug Hi Bill,
Just got around to checking out your site. Very nice…I’m in joy seeing your book lists/interest. So parallel with my own experience.
This article facinated me because I have been watching the hoohah at Frank Vissar’s site about Wilber/I-I.
One of the reasons I like Wilber & his work so much is that, from my perspective, he leaves one free from Guru worship. Perhaps he even shows his warts to shake off the puppy lovers.
I have been involved since the late 60’s with the TM movement/Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I have been practicing TM since that time & still cherish the practice. I can say that I had a great deal of devotional feelings towards Maharishi and still do. But I never could “join up” because they seem to take their “purity” more seriously than I could…being an occasional user of entheogenics, being a ’smoker’ on & off (including the devil weed, LOL).
I think you’re correct in saying these writings in general say much more about their authors than about Wilber.
Does he have a shadow side (like I do)? I’m fairly certain. Perhaps that is why I enjoyed his ‘Wyatt Earpy’ tirade.
I’m glad to blog here a bit, wouldn’t do it on Franks site…seems too toxic.
Anyway, thanks for the contributions of your site. Those guys on the right side of the page are nearly all wonderful mentors for me.
Cheers,
Doug

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